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Keep your truck and put a big brake kit on it.

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> Hey all, > I'm in the market for a new truck (well, new to me, anyway) and i'm trying > to decide what year.  I'm lookin for a reg cab Z71, i've had great service > out of my 90 model, so i'm debating on either an 88-95, with the TBI 350, > the 96-98 models with the vortec, or the 99-2000 year models.  I plan on > keeping the truck very long term, any suggestions on which to look at? btw, > the only reason i'm getting another truck is mine has the standard duty > brakes and i need something with more braking power as the truck is used > moderately and used to tow a boat and/or tractor regularly. > thanks all, > TB

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Hey all, I'm in the market for a new truck (well, new to me, anyway) and i'm trying to decide what year.  I'm lookin for a reg cab Z71, i've had great service out of my 90 model, so i'm debating on either an 88-95, with the TBI 350, the 96-98 models with the vortec, or the 99-2000 year models.  I plan on keeping the truck very long term, any suggestions on which to look at? btw, the only reason i'm getting another truck is mine has the standard duty brakes and i need something with more braking power as the truck is used moderately and used to tow a boat and/or tractor regularly. thanks all, TB

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

-- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*". Pursuant to US Code Title 47, Ch.5, Sub-ch.II, Sect.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem meet the definition of a telephone fax machine. Pursuant to Sect.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. Any unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a fee in the amount of $500US per occurance.  E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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> Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel.

Stephen,  was there really a need for your rude tone in this post? how about showing some charity, mercy, love, personal improvement, freedom, and peace. what about being fair, and seeing both sides. how about being sincere and keeping your promises. |Bill and Dawn '94 Ford Bronco |               '85 Honda Magna V30       |               '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it's an overgrown stationwagon. What's your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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: thanks to those who helped before!!\ Just my opinion, but my idea of a truck is a Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins diesel and Allison automatic.  But then again, I heard that Ford is coming out with Cat engines in the near future, so I might have to reconsider. -- http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~bobstory Automotive Paint FAQ and related subjects.

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

The first year the SS454 Chevy truck was available, Popular Mechanics did a comparison test between it and the Ford F250 with the 460 engine.  Not only did the Ford have a better 0-60 time, it also beat the Chevy in the quarter mile.  Not bad for a truck with no hotrod decals! The 460 is a good engine, lots-o-torque.  The PowerStroke engine though is THE one to go with if pulling trailers is a frequent chore.

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altavoz Diesels do not get good milage when you are not pulling a load . Those Cum' D's in Dodge PU's don't jump to 25 mpg when unloaded .  D's shine while pulling a 15000 LB trailer .  The 355 ci ? Cum' D' in the Dodge PU will prob get 8 mpg better than a gas engine pulling a really big load ! And thats very commendable .  But if you are not pulling a hvy load , D's are like hemroids . Who needs them . zapper personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. --

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. > IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > > ok my next questions is: > > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > > why? > > > Any help would be appreciated. > -- > Chad > Stephen,

Your question is not dumb. I had a 89 f-250HD 4x4 with a 460 and 5 speed manual trans. It was a good truck. I never had any problems with it and it had plenty of power. I now own a F-250HD crew cab with the Powerstroke and I like it very much. The powerstroke gets about 19 to 21 mpg and my 460 got about 10 to 13 mpg. The powerstroke seems to have more power But its a differnt kind of power. I would recomend the powerstroke. But if I were you I would test drive both types. In addition I would get the manual trans. I have seen and herd bad things of the automatics unless they have changed very recently. GPB

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This isn't alt.assholes.  This is a great time for you to learn self control. IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR A PARTICULAR ARTICAL, DON'T READ IT! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb > questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like > pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON > SENSE!! > Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. > > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > > ok my next questions is: > > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 > and > > why? > > Any help would be appreciated.

Isn't this what newsgroups are for? To ask questions? Your life must be pretty empty to rag on someone else for asking a question--is it possible to just be nice and answer it without the crap attached?

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> No Auto by Internet.com.

What the hell are you talking about son?

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Is your life really that empty that you need to ask a news-group dumb questions like this???  Drive them for goodness sakes!! It's not like pickup trucks are a "NEW" thing on the automotive landscape. USE COMMON SENSE!! Oh, and to answer the question.... If you can afford it, go for the Deisel. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

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If i were to buy a Ford truck, i think that I would have to get one of those powerstrokes.  A close friend of mine has a 1990 f-350 4x4 with a 460.  He bought it used from a ford dealer.  It had around 60,000 miles on it and he noticed metal in the oil when he changed it.  So he took it apart and found a broken piston.  In goes a Ford remanufactured 460.  It lasts 10,000 miles before it starts knocking.  It lost a rod bearing. In goes another Ford remanufactured 460 (barely under warranty!).  It goes 5,000 and it starts knocking again.  This time he had a professional engine-builder look at it and he found that the main bearings had all worn to the copper.  He thinks it was caused by a faulty oil-pump, or scuzz in the oil-pump.  So he rebuilt the engine and has had no problem since (10000MI). Maybe he just got a motor that hadn't been taken care of in the first place and got a couple of lemons from Ford?  But i know that it roasts those 38.5" superswampers over! The locals around here seem to get a deisel more than 460 in f-350s.  I dunno why exactly, but a farmer does not need 450 ft-lbs ot torque to pull hay wagons! Good luck on your purchase. -- Andy

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> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

how are you going to use this truck?? more information is really required. answer the following questions and you will come up with the correct motor choice for your needs. 1: do you plan on using the truck for extended periods of time below zero degrees and will you have electricity available for these times? 2: how long do you plan to keep the truck? 3: how many miles will you put on the truck before you get something new? 4: do you plan on towing anything really heavy for extended periods of time? 5: do you drive the truck to work and if so how many miles is it one way? 6: can you afford the extra $3000 for the diesel? i drive about 4 miles a day to work in winter, truck must start at 25 below zero (deg f), 6000 miles a year and haul a 10' pickup camper in the summer. i was told that the ford diesel starts well in the winter but i know my 460 starts at 30 bellow and i dont really want to mess around with fuel addatives and so on to keep it running in the winter. also i didnt think the 4 mile city trips to work in winter would help the life of the diesel. for these reasons i bought a 460 and am very happy with it. with my camper it gets 11mpg at 70 mph on the hwy and gets about 14 empty. a friend has the same truck as mine with a diesel and he gets 19mpg empty when i am getting 14. he puts on 20,000 miles a year and we take my truck snowmobiling (because it starts at 30 below) so the correct choice for him was the diesel. he plans on keeping his truck for atleast 10 years so the life of the diesel works for him. good luck! i love my f350! -- to reply by email please use the following

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Tanar'ri,     I think a lot of these people are just gabby!  I know several people who have had 460's for a great deal of time with no problems.  I personally know (some one who'd be honest with me) a Ford Mechanic that I asked about their reliability and what not.  He highly recommended them.  I know all this from research when I decided to purchase my 1997 F250HD with a 460 in it.  I bought it last year, and it's a great motor.  I love the pasing power that you just don't see in the diesel.  If you look at Fords Tow Rating brochure, you'll note that they rate an identically setup truck with a 460 to tow MORE than the same truck with the Power Stroke.  Still, if I were regularly towing more than 8000lbs and had an extra $3000 I would opt for the diesel.  They are by far more durable under those conditions and they do get better fuel mileage. -- Chad SPAM SUX!  If you wish to reply, remove "*SPAMSUX*".           !!         O        I would rather be...         O/ _O _O    #=       ___       __ _   _    _  (   :      :   )(    |   / _` |  _|  _| | ' / _` | ||                                                    |___/ New River - 1995, 1996, 1997 - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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Listen Leaf, I never claimed my word was straight from God himself.  I'm just giving MY experiences and OPINIONS!  If you have a problem with that then just ignore what I post.  I sure don't ignore yours because you have a different opinion. -- Andy

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>I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in >f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine >quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda >problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good >luck! >-- >Andy Quaas

I've got a 92' F250 HD with a 460 with 75k miles and no problems.  I bought it new and have towed a 20' enclosed snowmobile trailer with it every year.

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<SNIP> >    The > only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured > with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same > recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the > Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this > world).

The Ford Powerstroke diesel already has a turbo. You give up very little horsepower to the 460.  The diesel is rated at 205 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque. I have a diesel and think it is much better than the 460. Mark

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated. >Caladin

If you intend to work it hard over a lot of miles, the Diesel is the only way to go.  Both engines have their drawbacks, but, the Diesel overall cost of operation will be better under heavy loads and extended operation.

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For consistant long hauls go with the diesel - if purpose is shorter trips the 460 is much cleaner to operate. -DH - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> thanks to those who helped before!!\ > ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated. > Caladin

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> ok my next questions is: > Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and > why? > Any help would be appreciated.

Not being a huge Ford fan, but that's all I drive at work,  I'm going to have to recommend the Ford Power Stroke diesel.  The trottle response is pretty good compared to other diesels, the power is definitely there to do what you want, and they really aren't that bad on fuel mileage. Diesels will last longer provided you keep up with the preventative maintenance.  We've never encountered an engine related failure in any of our 11 ambulances.  Hope this helps. Geez, here I am a Chevy fan and I'm recommending a Ford.  Shoot me quick...... -- Roger Barnes Sorry for the inconvienence...

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> personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be > at > least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if > you > live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it > gets > cold.

Coming from Norway I have this advice about diesel:if cold ( belov 25centigrades (33 F)) you migth vanna add some gas to the diesel up to 10% or better make a tube from the cooling system to go around the diesel filter to heat it up this avoids the "diesel annimals" ( a bacteria living in diesel to block the diesel filter. Leif

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personally i would go diesel but i love diesels.  the mileage will be at least 50% better than the gasser it will out pull the gasser.  but if you live in cold climate conditions the need a little more t.l.c. when it gets cold.  running different fuel plugging it in and so on.  but don't forget sticker price the diesel is about a $3000.00 option that sure is allot of fillups.  if you want a gasser buy the new vortech 454 in the new chevy it out does any of the other factory motors in everything but mileage. -- zapper

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I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 engine quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves.  Good luck! -- Andy Quaas

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> I know of 4 people who have had trouble with their 460 engines in > f-250/350 trucks (1990 and up).  I hear that they changed the 460 > engine > quite a bit from the old 460 (those were great motors).  What kinda > problems?  Like bearings spinning, overheating, and burnt valves. > Good > luck!

Is this as well founded as your posting about stopping on snow?? Leif

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thanks to those who helped before!!\ ok my next questions is: Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and why? Any help would be appreciated. Caladin

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>thanks to those who helped before!!\ >ok my next questions is: >Im gonna purchase an f-350 4x4. which engine should I get diesel or 460 and >why? >Any help would be appreciated.

Caladin,   For a truck of that size and weight, unless you happen to own Chevron or one of the other major oil companies, I'd go diesel. This is especially true if you are going to actually use the full weight capacity of that beast.   The diesel will last longer, have lower maintenance costs (except for oil changes) than the gas motor and fuel costs will be lower. The only downside is that you give up some horsepower (this can be cured with an aftermarket turbo if you wish). Incidently, I'd make the same recommendation with a 3500 series GM or a Dodge (especially with the Dodge - that Cummins diesel is one of the GREAT engines of this world). Regards,   Bill Bowen   Daly City, CA

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